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gallyangel
Posted 2014-11-30 3:27 PM (#8945 - in reply to #8942)
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daxxh - 2014-11-29 3:24 PM


Carnivale - Glenn Hough
http://www.amazon.com/Carnivale-Glenn-Hough/dp/1849144206/ref=sr_1_...

Thanks!


This book is from the publisher CompletelyNovel which is a self-publishing platform.

http://completelynovel.com

To my knowledge, we don't add books from this arena since they are not considered for the awards, which is our base purpose.
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gallyangel
Posted 2014-11-30 3:45 PM (#8946 - in reply to #8942)
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daxxh - 2014-11-29 3:24 PM

Can someone please add the following?

Ghost Spin - Chris Moriarty (I think this is Book 3 in the Spin Trilogy)
http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Spin-Chris-Moriarty/dp/0553384945/ref=s...

Lady of Horses - Judith Tarr
http://www.amazon.com/Lady-Horses-Epona-Sequence-Book-ebook/dp/B00L...


Thanks!


These two are in.
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gallyangel
Posted 2014-11-30 5:25 PM (#8947 - in reply to #8943)
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illegible_scribble - 2014-11-29 5:59 PM

A couple of books to add, when someone has a chance:

The Chaplain's War, by Brad R Torgersen (review available)

Undercity, by Catherine Asaro(will be reviewing)



In and In.

Even though Undercity by Asaro is within the universe of her other works, I stuck it in a separate series since it's the first book of a new series. If anyone objects and thinks it should be placed with all the others, feel free.

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Posted 2014-11-30 6:13 PM (#8948 - in reply to #8947)
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gallyangel - 2014-12-01 10:25 AM

In and In. Even though Undercity by Asaro is within the universe of her other works, I stuck it in a separate series since it's the first book of a new series. If anyone objects and thinks it should be placed with all the others, feel free.

It's actually part of her Saga of the Skolian Empire, with the storyline falling in between Skyfall and Schism.

Thanks for adding those.

 

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daxxh
Posted 2014-11-30 8:00 PM (#8950 - in reply to #8948)
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Thanks for adding those books, Gallyangel.

@illegible_scribble - After reading your review, I want to read the Torgersen book.

I get so many recommendations from this site, I don't think that I'll ever catch up on my reading.
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Posted 2014-11-30 8:24 PM (#8952 - in reply to #8950)
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daxxh - 2014-12-01 1:00 PM After reading your review, I want to read the Torgersen book. I get so many recommendations from this site, I don't think that I'll ever catch up on my reading.

I know, daxxh, my TBR list just keeps getting longer and longer!

Those who liked Old Man's War and/or The Forever War will quite probably like The Chaplain's War.

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Posted 2014-12-05 1:27 AM (#8972 - in reply to #3662)
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Another one to add, when someone has the chance:

Carnelians, by Catherine Asaro (book #15 in the Saga of the Skolian Empire

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gallyangel
Posted 2014-12-05 4:53 PM (#8974 - in reply to #8972)
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illegible_scribble - 2014-12-04 11:27 PM

Another one to add, when someone has the chance:

Carnelians, by Catherine Asaro (book #15 in the Saga of the Skolian Empire)



The book is in but I think we're off some where. Amazon lists this as the 17th book in the series, not the 15th.

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justifiedsinner
Posted 2014-12-05 5:27 PM (#8975 - in reply to #8974)
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@ galleyangel

Library Thing has it at 14 and ISFDB at 13. According to Asaro the series branches at one point and then the plot streams diverge. Usually, if the novels are numbered I take ISFDB. (Sometimes ISFDB doesn't number and then I'll use other sources).

The problem seems to be a clash between series publication order and series chronological order.




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Jain
Posted 2014-12-05 6:08 PM (#8976 - in reply to #3662)
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I'd love it if the following books could be added. Thanks so much!

Through the Woods by Emily Carroll
The Girl from the Well by Rin Chupeco
Death by Silver (Julian Lynes and Ned Mathey #1) by Amy Griswold and Melissa Scott
A Death at the Dionysus Club (Julian Lynes and Ned Mathey #2) by Amy Griswold and Melissa Scott
Blood Price (Victoria Nelson #1) by Tanya Huff
A Confusion of Princes by Garth Nix
Blue Lily, Lily Blue (Raven Cycle #3) by Maggie Stiefvater (WWEnd already has books 1 and 2 in the database.)
Boxers (Boxers & Saints #1) by Gene Luen Yang
Saints (Boxers & Saints #2) by Gene Luen Yang
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gallyangel
Posted 2014-12-06 2:47 AM (#8977 - in reply to #8975)
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justifiedsinner - 2014-12-05 3:27 PM

@ galleyangel

Library Thing has it at 14 and ISFDB at 13. According to Asaro the series branches at one point and then the plot streams diverge. Usually, if the novels are numbered I take ISFDB. (Sometimes ISFDB doesn't number and then I'll use other sources).

The problem seems to be a clash between series publication order and series chronological order.




Meanwhile, on the wiki...

Carnelians is 14, Undercity is 19, while the intervening numbers are either novelettes in anthologies or ebook only novels. I think that's why we're getting different numbers from different places.

I'd say we go with the wiki.


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justifiedsinner
Posted 2014-12-06 10:29 AM (#8979 - in reply to #8977)
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Both her wikipedia entry and her official site ( www.catherineasaro.net ) lists the works in publication order and chronological order. I think you first have to decide which to use.

(Actually that would be an interesting site improvement, being able to see a series in either order with a button to select between them.)

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Posted 2014-12-06 12:32 PM (#8980 - in reply to #8979)
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justifiedsinner - 2014-12-06 10:29 AM Both her wikipedia entry and her official site ( www.catherineasaro.net ) lists the works in publication order and chronological order. I think you first have to decide which to use. (Actually that would be an interesting site improvement, being able to see a series in either order with a button to select between them.)

Our standard default is publication order which is how Asaro's works are listed currently.  We don't usually include short works or collections in the series though there are plenty of examples where we do for one reason or another.  That's where the sequencing can be off compared to other sites.  There are no hard and fast rules really.  The vagaries of the publishing industry prevent that - just look at the Elric series for one prime example of series confusion.  Sometimes you just have to pick a method and go with it.

The arguments for publication order:

Simplicity of listing:  publication order is easily verifiable and is the most common method used.  People expect that to be the default order.  It also matches the numbering on the book covers, when there are numbers, which will prevent some confusion.

That's the order in which the stories sprang from the author's imagination.  We're along for the ride following the creative process in the same order as the author experienced it.

Generally speaking an author's ability evolves over the course of years.  You'll be reading progressively better told tales as you advance in a series as the author hones her craft.  In chronologic order you could be getting to a book 3 that was written 10 years after the next book in line and then you'd be back 10 years for book 5.  Pub order provides a smoother transition between books and lets you experience the author's growing ability more naturally over time.

As for the toggle idea I think that would be a neat feature for down the road.  It would take a lot of work to go through all the series and determine chronological order.  There are more priority projects in front of it but if we could have that one the site it would be cool.

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gallyangel
Posted 2014-12-08 12:24 AM (#8986 - in reply to #8944)
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daxxh - 2014-11-29 7:29 PM

Can someone also add the nine volumes of the Camulod Chronicles by Jack Whyte?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=series_rw_dp_labf?_encoding=UTF8&field-...

The Sky Stone
The Singing Sword
The Eagle's Brood
The Saxon Shore
The Fort at River's Bend
The Sorcer: Metamorphosis
Uther
The Lance Thrower
The Eagle

Thanks!


This big old series is in.
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gallyangel
Posted 2014-12-08 3:09 AM (#8987 - in reply to #8986)
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A Confusion of Princes by Nix has been added.
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gallyangel
Posted 2014-12-08 3:45 PM (#8989 - in reply to #8976)
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Jain - 2014-12-05 4:08 PM

I'd love it if the following books could be added. Thanks so much!

Blood Price (Victoria Nelson #1) by Tanya Huff


I went ahead and added the whole six books of the Victoria Nelson P.I. series.
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gallyangel
Posted 2014-12-08 9:55 PM (#8990 - in reply to #8976)
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Jain - 2014-12-05 4:08 PM

I'd love it if the following books could be added. Thanks so much!

Through the Woods by Emily Carroll
The Girl from the Well by Rin Chupeco
Blue Lily, Lily Blue (Raven Cycle #3) by Maggie Stiefvater (WWEnd already has books 1 and 2 in the database.)


These three are now in.
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gallyangel
Posted 2014-12-09 2:27 AM (#8991 - in reply to #8976)
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Jain - 2014-12-05 4:08 PM

I'd love it if the following books could be added. Thanks so much!

Death by Silver (Julian Lynes and Ned Mathey #1) by Amy Griswold and Melissa Scott
A Death at the Dionysus Club (Julian Lynes and Ned Mathey #2) by Amy Griswold and Melissa Scott

Boxers (Boxers & Saints #1) by Gene Luen Yang
Saints (Boxers & Saints #2) by Gene Luen Yang


The twosome Death books by Scott and Griswold are now in.
I'm going to hold off on the Boxer - Saints books by Gene Luen Yang. I'm not clear on the policy for graphic novels. (I probably forgot.)
I put Through the Woods in only because I was almost finished before I noticed it was a graphic novel.

So, what is our stance? Or is it up to the Uber users? If they want to put it in, in it goes? or...?
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Posted 2014-12-09 8:18 AM (#8992 - in reply to #8991)
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gallyangel - 2014-12-09 2:27 AM
Jain - 2014-12-05 4:08 PM So, what is our stance? Or is it up to the Uber users? If they want to put it in, in it goes? or...?

At this time we're putting in graphic novels that have been nominated for an award or show on a list.  We're still trying to keep the focus on novels, collections, anthologies and the like. 

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Posted 2014-12-09 10:29 AM (#8993 - in reply to #3662)
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I like Dave's stance here. I think that adding graphic novels would bring in a whole new set of issues that we probably are not ready to contend with yet. Frankly, the addition of short stories and what that can mean are making me very nervous. I think we have to get through all of the issues that come with this new upgrade before we think about adding a whole new format. Just my two cents.
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gallyangel
Posted 2014-12-09 1:27 PM (#8994 - in reply to #8992)
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gallyangel - 2014-12-09 2:27 AM
Jain - 2014-12-05 4:08 PM So, what is our stance? Or is it up to the Uber users? If they want to put it in, in it goes? or...?

At this time we're putting in graphic novels that have been nominated for an award or show on a list. We're still trying to keep the focus on novels, collections, anthologies and the like.



Sounds fine to me.

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Posted 2014-12-09 6:47 PM (#8995 - in reply to #8980)
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The arguments for publication order:

Simplicity of listing:  publication order is easily verifiable and is the most common method used.  People expect that to be the default order. It also matches the numbering on the book covers, when there are numbers, which will prevent some confusion.

That's the order in which the stories sprang from the author's imagination.  We're along for the ride following the creative process in the same order as the author experienced it.

Generally speaking an author's ability evolves over the course of years.  You'll be reading progressively better told tales as you advance in a series as the author hones her craft.  In chronologic order you could be getting to a book 3 that was written 10 years after the next book in line and then you'd be back 10 years for book 5.  Pub order provides a smoother transition between books and lets you experience the author's growing ability more naturally over time.

I've just finished reading all the Skolian Saga books in chronological (story) order -- and I have to say that while there is a difference, I did not notice a major change in the quality between the novels written earlier and those written later (such as you find with MZB's Darkover series). I suspect that Asaro had a great deal of the worldbuilding and the entire story arc developed before she published the first novel, and that helped to make the quality and continuity more consistent.

An enhancement to toggle between publication vs chronological order would be awesome -- but my preference would be to implement Best Novella / Novelette / Short Story categories for those awards which have them.

I know, I know, but one can dream.  

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DrNefario
Posted 2014-12-10 7:21 AM (#8996 - in reply to #3662)
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Are there deleted posts in this thread, or something? It seems to be starting a new page before it's ready, for me.
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Posted 2014-12-10 8:41 AM (#8997 - in reply to #8996)
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It's not just for you it's doing that - I get a blank page for about the last 4 messages, then it goes to the correct page.
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Posted 2014-12-10 8:45 AM (#8998 - in reply to #8996)
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DrNefario - 2014-12-10 7:21 AM Are there deleted posts in this thread, or something? It seems to be starting a new page before it's ready, for me.

Yeah, that's been happening here and there lately.  Damned odd.  We'll look into it.

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